Vocational Voices

14 November 2019

'Vocational Voices', the official podcast of the National Centre for Vocational Education Research. Listen to leading experts discuss current trends in vocational education and training. Listen, follow and subscribe via your favourite podcast apps.

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S3 - Episode 3

Qualification design for the future of VET

Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Peter Noonan 11 November 2019 (27 mins)

Qualifications are an essential part of the VET system, and therefore a key consideration in the broader approach to VET sector reform.

Join special guest Peter Noonan, Professor of Tertiary Education at Victoria University and Expert Panel Chair of the recent AQF Review, as he talks with Steve Davis and Simon Walker, Managing Director NCVER about the recently released Review of the Australian Qualifications Framework Final Report 2019.

Discussion focuses on micro-credentials, identifying general capabilities, the Pathways Policy, and the proposed new qualification types or classification of VET qualifications.

A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

 
S3 - Episode 2

Youth pathways: from school to work and everything between

Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Will Stubley 23 October 2019 (30 mins)

New research has revealed how young people’s post-school pathways are diverse, individualised and complex. Steve Davis, Simon Walker Managing Director NCVER, and William Stubley CEO and Co-founder Year13, discuss if the reliance on ATAR, the Australian Tertiary Admission Rank, as our lens for evaluating educational achievements is too narrowly focused, and if so, what are some of the options for broadening our approach to understanding post-school pathways?

A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

 
S3 - Episode 1

Training packages: meeting student needs?

Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Craig Robertson 8 October 2019 (30 mins)

Competency based training (CBT) is the model of curriculum at the heart of the VET system and for some it’s a shorthand way of referring to the system of VET training packages, but critics are arguing that the VET sector’s reliance upon training packages is failing to meet the real-world needs of students and industry due to how they define and therefore teach competency. Steve Davis discusses this topic with NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker and TAFE Directors Australia CEO Craig Robertson.

copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

 
S2 - Episode 4

Unaccredited training and why employers use it

Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Ian White 27 August 2019 (22 mins)

Why do around half of Australian employers look outside the nationally accredited VET system to provide their employees with training? To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker and NCVER researcher Ian White, who discuss the reasons why employers choose unaccredited over accredited training, and whether it meets their skills needs.

A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

 
S2 - Episode 3

The student journey: skilling for life

14 August 2019 (80 mins)

Steve Davis interviews a collection of presenters from the 28th National VET Research Conference ‘No Frills’, held on 10-12 July 2019 in Adelaide.

While every student's journey is different, more and more research and discussion underlines the importance of workers becoming lifelong learners so they can grow and evolve with their jobs. And more than ever before, Australia relies on the VET sector to play a critical role in making this happen. Hear from a variety of VET experts about their ideas and research as they discuss how Australia can tackle the many challenges of the changing world of work.

A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

 
TopicPresenter Start time
Employability skills in entry level roles in STEM-rich and care/support industries Kate Perkins, Australian Council for Educational Research

01.41

Life skills for a digital future Mori Hajizadeh & Kevin O’Leary, Australian Industry Standards 13:00
Student outcomes in aged care and cookery Melinda Brown, Skills IQ 27:57
When is a worker truly competent? Training and assessment Michael Hartman, Skills Impact 38:21
RPL: difficulties & mitigating strategies Deb Carr, Think About Learning and Helen Smith, RMIT Consultant & CDU University Fellow 52:09
How can educators better support students with psychological-based individual differences? Cameron Williams, Black Dog Institute 01:03:38
Student choice in a contestable market Don Zoellner, Charles Darwin University 01:13:43

To view the full conference program and abstracts, please visit Past events.

 
S2 - Episode 2

Apprenticeship rates - should you believe the hype?

Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Ben Bardon 30 July 2019 (31 mins)

It is hard to dispute that the apprenticeships model, which combines employment with formal training in a trade, is an effective way of developing skills while still earning a wage. So why do apprenticeship numbers appear to be so dire? To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director, Simon Walker and National Australian Apprenticeships Association Chief Executive Officer, Ben Bardon, who reveal that the situation is more nuanced than recent media headlines might suggest. They start by discussing the difference between apprenticeships and traineeships, which can skew the perceived decline.

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S2 - Episode 1

Industry 4.0 - what does it mean for jobs and skills?

Steve Davis, Simon Walker and Megan Lilly 16 July 2019 (30 mins)

How will Industry 4.0, or the Fourth Industrial Revolution as it’s also known, affect the jobs we do and how we train for them? To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director, Simon Walker and AiGroup Head of Workforce Development, Megan Lilly. The challenge, they say, is to develop an agile skill base that can continually learn and grow, which means traditional education systems will also need to evolve.

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S1 - Episode 12

What next for tertiary education? Some preliminary sketches

Steve Davis, Francesca Beddie 25 August 2014 (13 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with author Francesca Beddie about her paper, What next for tertiary education? Some preliminary sketches, which presents the culmination of the ideas discussed between prominent tertiary education thinkers who came together to reflect on the Committee on the Future of Tertiary Education report (the Martin report). These ideas are intended to generate discussion on the possibilities for the future of tertiary education in Australia. She emphasises the importance of going beyond the funding debate, to talking more broadly about how we should be educating our citizens in the 21st century.

 
S1 - Episode 11     

Industry currency and professional obsolescence: what can industry tell us?

Steve Davis, Berwyn Clayton 21 June 2013 (13 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with co-author Berwyn Clayton about the report. The purpose of the study is to take an industry focused approach to investigating the issues of professional obsolescence and industry currency and how they apply to VET practitioners. Issues covered included, the importance of industry currency for practitioners training and assessing in the VET sector; strategies used by employers to keep trades people current with new technology and changing ways of working in various industry sectors; and strategies used by leading edge organisations to keep people up to speed with new knowledge and skills.


 
S1 - Episode 10

The impact of schools on young people's transition to university

Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 24 April 2013 (10 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with co-author Tom Karmel about this report which uses data from the 2006 cohort of the Longitudinal Surveys of Australian Youth (LSAY) to investigate how schools influence tertiary entrance rank and university enrolment over and above young people's individual background characteristics. A point of discussion was the authors' finding that schools do matter and although young people's individual characteristics are the main contributors to university entrance, the school characteristics are responsible for almost 20% of the variation in tertiary entrance rankings.


 
S1 - Episode 9

Educating oneself out of social exclusion

Steve Davis, Hielke Buddelmeyer 2 November 2012 (10 mins)

In this phone interview, Hielke Buddelmeyer, talks about his report which explores the impact of education and training on social exclusion using a multidimensional measure that focuses on seven domains. Education, he says, is a 'sleeper factor' in that it operates on many different levels and has an impact on the other six domains, such as health. Hielke also points out that the current focus on human capital, including social inclusion, follows previous market reforms that have been implemented to position Australia in changing economic times.

 
S1 - Episode 8

Shaken not stirred? The development of one tertiary education sector in Australia

Steve Davis, Leesa Wheelahan 17 January 2012 (13 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with Leesa Wheelahan about the report Shaken not stirred? The development of one tertiary education sector in Australia. This report examines universities that offer a small amount of VET and private providers that offer both VET and higher education, building on previous research examining TAFE intitutes that offer higher education.

This research suggests that mixed-sector and dual-sector providers are likely to become more important but they face specific challenges in the quality of their provision. While the sharp distinctions between VET and higher education are giving way to a more differentiated single tertiary education sector this is resulting in a more stratified and hierarchical structure as university providers become the 'comparator'.

 
S1 - Episode 7

Attrition in the trades

Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 18 November 2011 (9 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with Tom Karmel about the report Attrition in the trades. This report investigates attrition in the trades by comparing the rate at which tradespeople leave their occupation with that of professionals. It also determines whether attrition is influenced by economic conditions, and if a trade can provide a good start to a career in the professions. The report concludes that attrition in the trades is no higher than in the professions; the rate of leaving particular occupations may vary, but overall the results between the two are very similar. The economic climate also makes little difference to the attrition rate.


 
S1 - Episode 6

Outcomes from combining work and tertiary study

Steve Davis, Cain Polidano 2 June 2011 (9 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Cain Polidano about the report Outcomes from combining work and tertiary study. This study investigates the motivations for and the education and employment outcomes from working while studying for both VET and higher education students. While, in general, tertiary students who work while studying are less likely to complete than those who do not, being employed in the final year of study significantly improves the chances of finding full time employment in the first year following study.


 
S1 - Episode 5

Developing the child care workforce: understanding 'fight' or 'flight' amongst workers

Steve Davis, Tanya Bretherton 29 July 2010 (15 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Tanya Bretherton about her report Developing the child care workforce: Understanding 'fight' or 'flight' amongst workers. The early childhood education and care sector in Australia has long been characterised by low-skill/low-pay jobs. The current policy environment, however, may offer scope for the sector to move towards a path of skill growth. This report, based on case studies of four early childhood education and care providers, investigates how innovative employers are overcoming challenges in the sector to improve workforce development.


 
S1 - Episode 4

The role of vocational education and training in the labour market outcomes of people with disabilities

Steve Davis, Con Polidano 23 March 2010 (11 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Cain Polidano about his report on the Role of vocational education and training in the labour market outcomes of people with disabilities. Low levels of education generally among people with a disability is one of the factors contributing to their lower rate of labour market participation. What role vocational education and training (VET) plays in ameliorating this is the focus of this report. Using data from the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics of Australia surveys, the report finds that for people who are not working, completing a VET qualification does increase the chance of employment and more so for people with a disability.


 
S1 - Episode 3

Apprenticeships and traineeships in the downturn

Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 17 November 2009 (10 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with Tom Karmel about his report Apprenticeships and traineeships in the downturn. Apprenticeships have a very long history in Australia, building on the traditions of the medieval guilds. The essence of the apprenticeship is the contract of training--a legal contract between an individual, an employer and a training provider. The defining characteristic is the combination of employment and training. The purpose of this paper is to describe what we know about apprenticeships and traineeships, with a view to assessing the likely impact of the current economic downturn on them.


 
S1 - Episode 2

Cultural dimensions of Indigenous participation in education and training

Steve Davis, Michael Dockery 4 November 2009 (14 mins)

In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Michael Dockery about his report, Cultural dimensions of Indigenous participation in education and training. This study provides an important innovation to the existing literature by explicitly attempting to measure 'cultural attachment' and its relationship with post-compulsory education and training.


 
S1 - Episode 1

Is VET vocational?

Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 29 July 2008 (7 mins)

In this interview Steve Davis talks with Tom Karmel about his report Is VET vocational?, which explores the issue of how vocational education and training (VET) is actually used in the labour market and in particular the match between what graduates study and the jobs they get.